Yeah, it is a fascinating show and the news cycle and the internet ecosystem has certainly provided you with lots of material. You've recently been, I think you've really been producing some great stuff recently. I particularly enjoyed the episodes where you covered the Twitter files and Matt Taibis interactions with Russell Brand. I thought that was very

good. Right. That's Julian and Derek's file. I'm less tuned in to that bit. Now, the thing is too, is that there's three of us. We have sometimes quite separate and divergent interests, sometimes divergent politics as well. But yeah, their concentration on that material has been great.

Well, as I say, that's been one of the really good things recently. Another really interesting thing that's been on the show recently is the series that you've been doing about the influencer Teal Swan. And I think that is your project, isn't it? That started originally as one for backers only, but it's now been mostly published on the main feed. And yeah, that has been fascinating the way it's unfolded through all these different nooks and crannies you've been through Teal Swan herself and interviews and documentaries about her and her connection with the satanic panic and going back from there to Michelle remembers, etc, etc. That's been a real journey. I feel like Teal Swan could be a way into some interesting conversations. Could you, sorry to give you the task of explaining everything. Right. Could you mainly, could you sort of sum up Teal Swan for us in case people haven't heard of her? Because I confess I hadn't heard of her until I started listening to your series about it.

Yeah, I mean, it's the internet is a strange landscape in which somebody can have, you know, a million and a half YouTube followers and have, you know, devotees who hang on her every word, she can have a juggernaut of SEO managers working to spread her messages far and wide. And yet she's not going to penetrate certain corners, right? Like we, there's this weird, there's this weird balkanization in internet land where very large countries sometimes don't touch up against each other. But Teal Swan, I would say, is almost the theme of the podcast embodied in the sense that she is a charismatic, channeling, new age priestess who claims her kind of spiritual and psychological authority from a backstory of satanic ritual abuse that she has told in full over many years. And interestingly now is kind of backing away from, I think, because it hasn't been corroborated. And it's very difficult to to continue to support or to garnish support from it on her side.