I've talked about the need for a positive vision of the future, and as you say, moving beyond work and anti-work. So what is the constructive path? What is that thing that we could be doing if we weren't doing all of this? It's obviously different for everybody. I mean, if you're a comedian, you may be a laugh. If you're a writer, you write the things you need to write. But the main thing is innovation and thinking, and they're coming up with new ideas. You know, is there so much time spent on this unwinnable game... And it hasn't yet got anyone anywhere.

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