i wanted to ask you a bit about your doctoral work, which features in the book. So i was really interested to look at this technological schuamorphism as a process and understand what people are doing when they start using metal. They're thinking about stone, and why on earth would they be copying it? And then i started looking at objects. Once you actually sit down with a kind of weirdness and the irregularity and the, frankly, unruliness of past materials, everything that you thought going into it just falls apart.

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