i honestly was going into this thinking that i would be really attracted to the panpsychic position, because it seems like it has all the same problems as the materialist. And so what he wants to say is, at the most fundamental level, andlike, well, it's not obvious. It wasn't obvious to me. Nobody here means that rocks are like thinking things, but rather that even at the most basic constituent level of matter, like poton's atoms, whatever quarks, that there is some degree of subjective experience happening. At least that'what i think strasson so the problem is getting into the details, then, of how this explanation is going to look