Sally Kohn: Your story, your journey there and it makes me think too about being a design leader, like a design manager even. Like if you love, only love to get, just get your hands dirty all the time, you may not want to be create a product and become a designer. She says she's glad Braden gets to still co-founder of this product with her as well. "I don't really think of it as being a designer anymore. Just think of itas being a founder"

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