Spencer: I don't think death is the right indicator. We can already predict that there will be, you know, 9 billion deaths or whatever number of human suffering because we are all going to die anyway. The things that you have been saying, fortunately, are not really predicting the worst things. So in this case, it's perhaps less relevant, but still very relevant from the fact that I think all of these reports that you have cited so far, we're just looking at the wrong indicators.

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