Sometimes we choose to do things that involve suffering. And we find a kind of value in that suffering. Even if you think there isn't a clear future benefit, sometimes people choose to suffer and reduce their well-being along a certain dimension. So it's complicated. It's interesting to me that almost every depiction on TV or movies of being the parent of a young child makes it look horrible. There's very few attempts to capture the joy of it, right? Or the value of it.

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