The Cost of Carrying Wilder Justice

"We've been going after God a long time. And I think we're touching our 40s, right? Well, I'm there. We're touching it." "I keep telling my wife, like, I would have a basketball team... But she shut down the muffin factory," he says of his family's love for sports. He also talks about how worship has changed from being just another genre to now having its own language and style.