I think we're playing a long term game here. Looking back at the block work story, which I think is amazing. Two guys sharing queen beds in an apartment. Do $135 million valuation. Just ride the wave and just try to create a bit of value. You can build something that materializes sometimes in a day or a week. The difference between seeing what you've done in a bear market versus a bull market could be psychologically very different. And it really is all about just having a long term mindset"

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