Greg Otto talks with John Hultquist, Chief Analyst for Google Threat Intelligence Group. They explore the qualitative differences between AI-generated and human-crafted social engineering tactics, and discuss the technical limitations of AI when used by less sophisticated threat actors like those in North Korea. Additionally, the episode addresses the challenges posed by AI in cybersecurity, including how it accelerates attacks, the need for enhanced defense systems beyond current SOAR/XDR models, and a proposed roadmap for maturing autonomous AI frameworks in the coming years. In our reporter chat, Greg talks to Derek B. Johnson on the ongoing friction between Elon Musk, DOGE, and the federal government. . LINK: https://cyberscoop.com/musk-doge-opm-treasury-breach/