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The Classical Version of Indeterminate Pessimism
Both take their starting point from sort of complete indeterminacy about the state of the world. The classic determinate pessimistic would be like plato and aristotle. There's a definite way things happen, even though theyre sort of limits. You can't be too hopeful about technology youre really improving theState of the world in any fundamental way. And then probably the classic version of indeterminate pessimism, which is sort of the epicurean lucretian view of the universe where there is nothing but atoms in the void.