Jon e mackeroy started out as a life guard, and then got his degree in acting. Then he was an actress for several years, and then i was brought into the mackleroy fold by marriage. And so we host a podcast together called schmanners, yes. We primarily focus on the history of etiquette and culture and how it all applies to day. I like to think about manners as behaviours that are specific to an individual, and etiquette as a set code of behaviors. Not every one practises etiquette, though, but for the purposes of this episode, you don't have to think too hard about the distinction.