i talked yesterday, charles, about victor franklin. And anybody's listened to s podcast more than twice has probably heard me talk about him. He may not have saved my life, but he saved the quality of my life by helping me understand that meaning comes from three places. One is a project that you are empowered to work on that helps other people. Two, as a redemptive or optimistic perspective on your suffering. Third, as community people that you can share this experience with.

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