I'm always just curious to sort of follow that thread of who were the original people talking about this, and what identities did they hold? Ye, so the problem is it's super mysterious. There isn't a lot of documentation. And we know that most of the early thought leaders in this space travelled through the middle east at some point. So this is not developed by white men in the united states. Yyou know, both norono and chazo were south american, one bolivian and one chilan. They're the ones who brought the typology to the united states, into california,. where they were having small inhome conversations with seekers and teaching the tradition