Sean: I think what you did with indy hackers is exactly uh like that is this that is a winning formula and yeah it's not you didn't do it through the newsletter but you did the same idea. Sean: We trained a kid from the Netherlands to be really good at ad sales i don't know Sean what else from your perspective do you think we got right that helped us win well? He says he was just like let's just write what we like and if we like this we're gonna bet that thousands of other people will  and then three i think trying to get good in monetizing which for us is our podcast called milk road.