I met Al and Ziggy at a bouldering workshop on our Oz Tour in 2019, and was immediately taken by their excitement for improving at climbing, and by how much they dug into the concepts I was teaching that night. In this episode we discuss how to keep things in perspective when your days aren't dominated by climbing, and the importance of partners who help you keep those few days moving forward. 

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