Apple is running away with every aspect of like, consumerism and attachment to that. But at the same time, a couple of years ago, i wouldn't have really believed they were competing in the same game. When you get how difficult it is to build that stuff as well, i think that also gives you a different level of conviction. It's easy to sort of brush it off, or overlook it and be like, yeah, someone can come and compete with apple and knock them.

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