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Anatoly Crachilov, CEO and Co-Founder of Nickel Digital Asset Management, joins Other People’s Money to discuss why crypto is the perfect asset class for the multi-manager pod shop model. He also explains how Nickel is taking a “West Berlin” approach to partnering with external traders compared to the “East Berlin” approach of many traditional pod shops where non-competes and strict control of IP is the norm. He also discusses why 2025 has been a difficult year for crypto traders, how their team is managing the choppy markets, and how scaled up pods and incubation stage pods managed the extreme volatility in October.
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Timestamps
00:00 Intro
00:38 CAIA.nxt
01:24 Multi-Manager Origin Story
03:12 No Central Book or Alpha Capture
04:32 Expanding Number of Pods
06:15 Technology Enabled Growth
10:09 Onboarding a New Pod
14:38 Benefits of Crypto's Infinite Divisibility
15:58 CAIA.nxt
16:54 Determining the Scalability of Strategies
18:03 Minimum & Maximum Pod Sizes at Scale
18:33 Measuring Risk Adjusted Returns
20:34 Pod Compensation and Fund Level Fees
24:43 Winning the War for Talent
29:29 Pods Can Be Independent Prop Shops and Single Managers
35:03 Demand for Crypto Multi-Manager Funds
39:02 Reducing Risk in Crypto with 3rd Party Settlement & Custodians
46:08 Crypto Still Has Low Liquidity
49:41 The Cost of Poor Trade Execution in Crypto
53:16 Current Environment for Crypto
58:22 Risk Management Adjustments in a Choppy Year
01:02:04 Different Testing Environments for New Pods
01:06:30 What Happens When a Scaled Pod Has a Drawdown?
01:09:35 Conclusion
