How to Test for a Manager Who May or May Not See the Value of Testing

EdX recently bumped app conf, which I know edX depends on to... Or the only bump was to add the Trove classifiers for 3.2 and fix them up. But it's still like, you know, do it, clean up the last few issues, make, youknow, update the package. A question I did want to ask you, Ned, about with testing, I mean, I think we're all engineers. WeAll value it. Managers don't always. You've worked in a lot of organizations. What is your advice for an engineer who is trying to sell, taking the time to testing to a manager who may or may not be technical and