"It's so wild that we're even talking. I got to say, it's really surreal for me right now." "I remember that cover. This is, this is what I saw at the news and it's bringing back all these memories," he says of his time in kishijoje. The rules were completely tailor made for the Japanese fighter because they are good on the ground but not as good strikers. They also had eight counts. And then they had this really weird thing, which some people, because of that, people thought it was pro wrestling, they had like rope escapes".

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