State drivers are like everybody. They want to stay alive. Some of them are various degrees of expertise. The top-meg driver in North Vietnam got nine victories and serious business. A free fighter, this guy up here would always try and come down and say, I'm in. He goes off or that's how we ended up with the call signs because he can't relate numbers to each other. You got to have a rattler's in. Hanks off. When the second aircraft starts to go up, when the first aircraft comes down as in, is the other one now taking the up position?