There there's definitely light at the end of the tunnel. It's not always as difficult as it is in the beginning. So, ok, i want to talk to you about trama. And i had gabby bernstein on the show not long ago, and i asked her this very similar question. But i'm very curious your take on that. Id love that. Do you believe that everybody has experienced trama in one way or another? I think t a, there's a much more expanded definition of trama that applies to the large majority of us.

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