I recognize that there's lots of these existential risks that may or may not happen certainly climate is happening and is going to happen regardless of what we do. I think we are years or a decade away from a recalibration of the musical chairs of financial claims relative to the biophysical claims so I thought we might talk about oh well how does AI fit into that or how does blockchain fit into that. They would help extend the metabolism for a while longer at best but they're not short-term fixes, he says.

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