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Michael shermer talks to ashley rinsburg about his new book, the gray lady winked. He explains why he self-published it as no publisher would touch it because they're all afraid of New York times. We also talk about 16 19 project and how that has affected our understanding of history. And we look at what is truth - who gets to say what is true about history?

Michael Shermer speaks with Ashley Rindsberg about his book The Gray Lady Winked in which he pulls back the curtain on the the world’s most powerful news outlet and flagship of the American news media, the New York Times, to reveal a quintessentially human organization where ideology, ego, power and politics compete with the more humble need to present the facts. Rindsberg offers an eye-opening, often shocking, look at the New York Times’s greatest journalistic failures, so devastating they changed the course of history.