can see how if you only consume me in that way you could

be like you'll fuck that guy he's obviously not about shit it's frustrating on a human level because you want to believe people would be like no you before you think that you you take it in a bit more but like how much do I know about Jake Paul I just gave my assessment on him I don't really know shit about him except that he comes off as a douche so you can't really expect people to do things that you don't do but when I when I'm in New York and I go out every day and I run into the people who have heard me on a consistent over the last ten years maybe they've heard me four days a week maybe they've heard me one day a month but over that ten years they've gotten to know me it's a totally different relationship it's a really pleasant we know who you are but you can't expect that you definitely can't. Of the random internet crowd that just sees my name

I get it. And because of that have you looked at other people differently you know like your assumptions of people that you don't know as well as you as you know yourself are you like more empathetic to them they're their plight and struggle. Shockingly

the release of

this has been really a lesson in empathy. I knew you're going to make this about your album Peter. The album is out right now. No but seriously. I'm

just kidding. And going through the process of doing press and trying to garner interest for this project it's really been an eye-opening experience of like not thinking about how artists feel at all. You know and like artists get really pissy when you don't ask about their project or you don't know every song or you ask a mundane question and I'm always like what do you expect me to do dude we do so many interviews blah blah blah. Now that I'm on the other side of it I'm like oh yeah that shit is annoying. I get it. You worked really hard and you want people to ask about your shit I understand more. As far as judging other media personalities I've tried to be better in general. At the same time most of the ones I

don't like I know them well. Oh damn I heard that you heard that charlotte man you can log off right now you heard that.

We know each other we've had conversations this is not like I'm not like making things up. You do try with new people like I've probably given academics a harder time than he has deserved a time. Okay.

I mean yeah. You've got to draw the lines somewhere. You

do have to draw lines somewhere. I don't

see what the I don't see what the big deal is about academics. I think he just knows how to play the game. I don't know I mean I just look at all that stuff is like oh this guy figured out how to do it. You know what I mean I can't whether

you just said it. Yeah so you just but you just you explained the whole thing. So for someone like me who was like I'm going to choose to go the really nerdy purist route regardless of what how beneficial that will be. And then you see someone

else who's like I'm going to promote absolute

bullshit. Don't come at six nine like that. Don't come at six nine. Treyway do not come at six nine like that. And and

to exactly thank you for making the point like so so then and then we have to turn around and be like yo you got to respect it. It's like well well by that token I guess you have to respect Donald Trump. Like you have to. Yo the way the way he never paid anyone the way he like had no idea about real estate and failed up by bullying people and never paying them like yo you got to respect that. It's like no you don't you don't have to. And so like yeah it's not that I think academics is talentless. It's not that I think he's not smart. It's that I think at no point in his young career has he chosen yet to do things that would benefit the art. Like he has not tried to do that yet. So I'm not saying he can't and I'm not saying he's a bad person. But do I have any respect for how you're using the art form to make your money. No that was fair right

Jason. That was very fair and that's why we all will just continue to make fun of academics and you know until the world stops spinning. It's part of being an American if you ask me. I mean but also that's the cool part about I mean you're talking about you know being an artist who you've created a thing you made a movie you wrote a book you made an album and you want to go and talk about it you want to get gassed up you want people to be like you know ask a million questions but the beauty of podcasting is there's so many shows like I'm sure you've done a bunch of podcasts that are like real nerdy hip hop like we're going to get into it and you guys are talking about you know here's how I found this hi-hat and all that shit and then you can do our podcast where people can learn a different side about you and be like oh I didn't know you know he was actually really cool he was actually really funny they talked about sandwiches and shit whatever it wasn't about the album and you have a new fan a different way and that's you know we're all part of a great ecosystem.

No listen if the conversation is good you don't I don't ever think anything about asking about the album I only think that when it's not a great conversation it's very straightforward like they read the notes from the publicist and I'm like you're missing out on good shit I have good shit if you I'm not going to go volunteering to say shit that's gonna get clicks or do whatever but I do have good shit in there if you ask good questions or if we're just having good conversation yeah by the way it doesn't make me realize though all three of us are so ADD that I never explained what I actually did on the album at all. Yeah yeah you DJ Khaled did that home but please explain what you did.

You text it we know what you did you texted some of your friends they sent you some verses you sent those to your producers and then the shit comes out right isn't that how it goes? I

mean that is the that is basically yeah you must not do this shit so honestly the nature of it really is collect collect beats from producers and found some really cool producers that aren't that known unless you're super duper underground. Go through said beats pick out the songs that you think would work for people get an idea of what that song looks like then chase down the people get the songs recorded put those songs together add all the accoutrement mix it etc get a song. Within that though there's a million stories and the person you didn't get you ended up getting someone else or they cut off their verse in a weird way and you have to totally change the song around what they did because Ghostface isn't sending you another two bars even though when I talked to him the other day he was like incredibly apologetic for not sending the last two bars and I'm like bro once I heard what you did on the first fourteen whoever has heard a song and been

like that wasn't an even measure man. Like I was like

it's like we're good we're good

we're good we're totally good. Yeah well I think this is this is a thing that that used to happen a lot more and I think people are you know not used to it but yeah it's like Khaled is kind of the only person who's like super famous who's doing this stuff right now and a lot of people give him shit for just like oh you didn't make this music you're not rapping on it but you're you're taking all the credit for it and I think you're doing it the right way of like you're not screaming your name at the beginning of every song you don't

have a picture of your face on the cover. The only thing that's probably the biggest reason people hate on Khaled is because of the we the best shit that's probably where the hate mostly comes from.

Yeah I mean if you're going to be a behind the scenes person if you are a true amazing executive producer you have a really amazing skill that people can do you can be like this producer would be perfect with this guy and I heard this verse and it'd be great on that beat and do this artwork and this is how the promo should go out like there's a skill to that you're a real producer but when it's all just like clearly so you can get fame and put your face on it and put your kids on it and scream your name and say we the best then everyone's like alright bro

you ain't really doing shit. So I appreciate you pointing that the skill part out of it and I love Khaled and he has done things that are he has a few songs that I absolutely love and I think were put together. Yeah why didn't you get Bieber like what happened there? Facts and by the way if no one beaver for dumb long he never done a song on me yet. No but I'm the one really was a great song like that's a funny thing is like so people do hate on Khaled he has a few in there that are really hammers that I really love but the only negative comment that I've gotten in regard to my album I've been so thrilled about the way social media is responded to it. The only thing I've gotten is yes some what did he even do and it's like man the people who say that think they're playing me and I'm like you're just like screaming I don't know how songs get me.

Yeah yeah

I listen to music but I do not I've never heard of an A&R I don't know how songs are put together like I want to be like well what are you doing it's like well the song doesn't exist. It's an idea in my head and then I find music and I find artists and I put the what did you do it's like well it wouldn't exist if the idea it's why am I very simple it's

very simple.

It's like it's like assuming that the only people who work on movies are actors. Well by the way bro that's I appreciate you saying that too because my number one line to explain it to like old Jewish people aka my parents friends is like think of it as directing a film. I'm not an actor in the film and I didn't quite produce the film but it's a director it's my vision I'm saying I see this I see this I see that it bro this is Puff Daddy's whole career and yeah there are people who don't like Puff and whatever but do you think that ready to die and life after death would have sounded the way they sounded if it was just biggie and the producers of those songs. Hell no no definitely not. The polish on those records how big and anthemic they are like that would have been an underground ass album that people liked and thought was cool but Puffy brought the energy of like no this is going to be larger than life and

we call that sauce we call that sauce and that's exactly what I that's what I bring to this podcast but

also Puffy is such a great rapper too you know what I mean.