i see proud boys as both normalizers of political violence, but also the pointy end of this extremism machine. And in the scary part about what we're seeing now is that everyday americans are joining these extremist groups in the streets. How big are they? I would say they're in the no fve thousand to ten thousand range. They may have been bigger at one point, but people ask, well, why should i worry about them if if they 're not going to knock on my door one day? But there their threat lies in their ability to coalition,. They can gather many, many extremists, and everydayAmericans together under one banner wherever they are in the country.