Is Beer a Hobsian?

i think it's a good lesson to learn from contrasting beer and boyd. I mean, in a real sense, states are real abstractions, like they are. They are things that don't actually exist, but have massive apparatus. And whereas when you get wat actual, like, immediate social systems, there's more nuanceand and and ways to degenerate conflict. Am that that someone like beer is more interested and handling, and making sure it doesn't spiral the system into collapse or into over complexity,. which is also something that boyd is worried about.