I think that's a wonderful thought. And just one last closing question if I could. I think you've provided a great perspective for many Americans or Europeans or others who may not have been to Kenya recently or ever. But I know that we'll have people in Kenya who listen to this as well. What do you want to leave them with

as they think about the United States and Kenya's relationship with our country? Well, I think a couple of things. One is, I think, and I think the United States thinks that Kenya has incredible potential. And Kenya really matters to Africa. Africa is a continent of change. And Kenya is a beacon of a strong country with democratic values, with tremendous economic opportunity ahead of it. And so I want the Kenyans to know how much we believe in Kenya. And that's important to them. How much do we believe in Kenya? And that this notion of bilateral trade is very important because Kenya today, 70% of their people work in what I call the informal economy. That's agriculture, the stands on the side of the road. Ultimately, that 70% just has happened in so many other countries, that 70% that work in agriculture, it ultimately has to be 70% that work in the formal sector. And that's jobs with paychecks, with some benefits, steady paychecks that allow people to have a steady source of income to pay for their kids to go to school, for their kids to go to university, for them to feed their families and have decent housing and lives. And I think we can be great partners with Kenya on that journey. And it's not just about economic growth and development, it's about education and healthcare and safety. And I think we're excellent partners there. And what I always say when I'm asked about China is I always say, we just want to give a set of alternatives to Kenya. We're not here to say you must do business with the US and not China or anyone else, but we want to put the best offer and the best ideas for the future. And if we do that like in business, it'll come along. But I'm so admiring of the Kenyan people. I'm so admiring of what they've been able to accomplish thus far. And I think the future is very bright for both Kenya and Americans as we think about what we can do together.

Well, thank you. I think a great ambassador has an opportunity to help bring two countries and two peoples closer together. You're obviously focused on doing that. I can't imagine anyone better to serve in this important time as the United States Ambassador to Kenya. So Ambassador Whitman, Meg Whitman, thank you for being with us today. Thank you very much.

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