i want to talk a little bit about this next phase your sort of high temperature exploration of both a book that you're planning but i also know more podcasts that you want to do. There's a university of chicago media theorist wjt Mitchell who wrote a fantastic follow up to Walter beniumine's essay the art and the age of mechanical reproduction. He said we need a paleontology of the present a rethinking of our condition in the perspective of deep time, he says. It is still one group of techniques that needs to be held in a kind of ecological balance with all of these other techniques oh and let me let me just qualify that it strikes me that complexity science is

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