I was obsessed with, you see, b all i wanted was to get on that stage. And so alona and i were likes, we just liked make something. We would perform under saint mark's theatreor little black box theatres where you'd rent the space and like give shots to the audience tem it was just like the very funi ye. Never getting on one of the house seams that you see be in. That was very much the ah, what is it called? The like impetus?