The Trump Card in the Debate on Ukraine

I want to get to the more specifics of your reporting, but before we do that, I want more thing on this issue. One of the lines used to shut down debate is to say that U.S., Western Europe are essentially risking World War three or nuclear conflict. Is that a conversation that you hear in Ukraine? It's kind of exhausting because the argument never goes further than that. There's not a lot behind it.