The Pressure to Live Up to Expectations in the Church

"Being African American in science, you kind of stick out and I find that it, it can be a double edged sword," he says. "If I give a talk that's bad, then it, it looks really bad. If I get to give a talks that's good, I think sometimes it looks too good" He adds: "I have many stories that I can tell later about less flattering things that have happened just because of being African American in, in science"