I've never interviewed him although they did reach out at one point a few months ago and asked if I wanted to interview him. And then it just didn't work out he was the president of FTX instead who was another guy. So I could have answered yesterday your question if I had interviewed him but I'm trying to think Jay maybe you know this. Yep that's why I remember I think he's sort of your friendmaybe you are you interview him twice and then you found out from newspaper that most of his story is false. Right. Nobody knew he was a fraud. I mean maybe one guy did and that guy was ostracized by everyone. That's kind of famous being

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