Speaker 1
having something that gives you at least the opportunity to, and whether you call Bitcoin an investment or whatever you want to refer to it as, but we use it as our savings account. And that's what I, when I'm talking to our Uber drivers or whoever I'm evangelizing to, I always say, dude, just use it as your savings account, like hook it up to your checking account. And then if you need pull from it, do it, but try not to, you know, and just don't look at it too closely because it'll scare you. But just hold on to it for three years. Don't look at it. What's that? That's it. That's right. Yeah. Hillary wrote a paper in her English class recently and she actually quoted Robert Brady Love Michael Saley. Oh really? Yep. Grab this mic now. I'm
Speaker 2
going to put her on the spot. Here we go. You can maybe hold it while we sit and sort of see her paper.
Speaker 4
did write a paper.
Speaker 1
What was it titled?
Speaker 4
Um, oh, so I was
Speaker 1
writing what? Developing countries, wasn't it? Yeah. So
Speaker 4
I was writing about Bitcoin and how it could help like developing countries and stuff and um, I think it was called Bitcoin I don't know right it was kind
Speaker 1
of actually I can't
Speaker 4
tell you but yeah It
Speaker 1
was essentially that Bitcoin in its effect on developing countries. So how about like remittances and
Speaker 2
savings and things like that? I assume. Yeah, very cool. Yeah. And was it well received or did your professor think you were... No, she loved it. I think she
Speaker 4
didn't fully understand all of it. Like she asked me, she revised it a couple of times and she's like, could you maybe like explain Bitcoin at the beginning and what it is and stuff. So I wrote like an extra page at the beginning about what Bitcoin is and so So yeah, I got a good grade on it.
Speaker 2
She likes it. That's great. This is senior of high school or what's in college? College. College. Okay, and were you using YouTube University? I guess to write this thing. I
Speaker 4
did I mean I used your One of your podcasts. Oh really? I quoted you. Oh,
Speaker 2
thank you. The Monners. Yeah. Another quote? I
Speaker 4
don't remember. Yeah, we used- I have the worst memories. Yeah,
Speaker 1
it's all right. We used you and safety and Bitcoin standard. And what was the other one that was through? And there was another one too. There
Speaker 4
were like 10 quotes.
Speaker 1
Were there really? Yeah, I guess a lot. But yeah, it's trying to help them and they're not gonna learn the stuff in school obviously, you know, so we're trying to help, you know, them implement this into their lives too. And so can I ask you again about the orange pulling? I'm still interested in those. Sorry.
Speaker 2
You got it immediately. You got it immediately as
Speaker 4
well. Yes. Cause that's just the way that our relationship. Are
Speaker 2
you guys actually just, my
Speaker 4
dad sounds like a lot of videos in our like
Speaker 3
family group chat. That kind of helps. Also during COVID we were like constantly watching videos. Like, I mean I can't even tell you how many hours and yes in Lila we watched the Michael Saylor the
Speaker 1
Saylor series you put in there and
Speaker 3
so amazing did you send him that video limitation
Speaker 1
that was such a, what an amazing mind he has. The way he can articulate a message. And it's, I mean, I can say I got it before Michael Saylor did, so that was pretty good. But yeah, we watched that. Andreas was big and then that series was absolutely huge.
Speaker 2
Did you guys find yourselves skeptical? I mean, these videos are coming through the family group chat and then are you like, dad, you're crazy and then you become orange-billed over time or are you immediately receptive to it?
Speaker 4
I don't think we I wasn't immediately receptive to it just cuz I feel like my dad he's very open about everything he talks about and some of the stuff is like in public I'm like dad oh my gosh it's so embarrassing why are you talking about this? But I feel like over time, as we've like started to understand what it is, and he's explained it to us a little bit better, now, like we're all on board, and it makes sense to us. But at first, it was like, oh my goodness, you're embarrassing me. And he's like, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, poems and stuff, I wasn't sure right away, but.
Speaker 2
Yeah, so you guys were like, kind of in that embarrassing dad, but there's memes about that right? Oh, yeah, it's like me it at it All
Speaker 4
my friends know my dad Bitcoin
Speaker 4
of my friends she found like a license plate said Bitcoin on it So,
Speaker 2
how did you guys then become the Bitcoin family was this a discrete moment or just?
Speaker 1
It was funny. So last year, we're on a, it's a signal thread and with my buddy, John Clabo, who introduced me to Bitcoin, he put it together and put tons of great guys on there. But one of the guys put, like got us all shirts and it's the notorious BTC thread is what it is. And we had those shirts last year at the Bitcoin conference. And so I had oh, sorry, sweetheart Um, I had all the kids come in and we got our picture taken in front of Bitcoin 2023 here in Miami last year And there was a guy who had worked for value tainment Don Capi after we got the picture taken he goes he's like do you guys have like an agent and I was like what and He's like you guys are the Bitcoin family and I was like, okay. So that's it. He's like, and so he, you know, he proposed like, you guys should do this and this and this and potential. And I talked with the family about it. And I don't know if that's the route we'll go. But, but if the world needs us to do that, we'll be the Bitcoin family. Yeah, that's a great
Speaker 2
model. I think for other people to emulate Yeah, what does it take to become a Bitcoin family? Is it just orange-pilling everyone in the household? Does everyone need to own Bitcoin? Like what's
Speaker 1
the standard here? How are they above?
Speaker 3
I think that something that I have noticed that's very very unique and I that this, this is definitely because of Chad is that we just are always talking, like, like holding stuff inside, not to say that we don't, but eventually ends up coming out. And it's like, and I think we're just learning, like we just have to keep talking. And so I think we just really just talk with our kids and like whether it's hard things or we're just always involved and I think that that huge aspect of it. I'm
Speaker 1
just saying too, I probably think I'm most proud of with our kiddos is that they're all pretty independent thinkers and so we'll argue back and forth on things. I like those moments, like they're good. And, you know, they push back on us hard and we do the same to them. And, but, you know, I remember I showed Dawson that Zeitgeist documentary and especially on the money, like Dawson was almost like saying what they were doing before, before the video was over. And I was like, his mind grasped it very quickly. Oh, wow. And so, but, and then, you know, you keep thinking about it long enough. You see how it pervades into every aspect of our lives, everyone's lives. And, but, but yeah, I think, you know, and where things are at in the world right now, too, you know, it's unlikely that things, you know, in the Fiat world are going to turn around. I don't think that that's a real possibility. And so I don't think, I don't think Big Macs are going gonna get cheaper. I don't think we're at one direction. So now it's becoming more and more obvious to people, why this is necessary.
Speaker 3
And I think our kids are even noticing it now too, because they're old enough to where they have their own money, they go out and they wanna go to McDonald's or whatever. Yeah, it hurts though. And it is so expensive. And so I think that that is computing for them everything that we've been talking about with Bitcoin. And so I think they're learning it in real time.
Speaker 2
Yeah. The pain is information, as we often say on this show. When you actually feel the pain, that's when you find the solution to the point. You said something there, like this I assumed you meant money is very pervasive. Obviously it infects many domains of life. So we explore a lot on this show. And you mentioned too about being radically truthful how that's been very valuable in your relationship. Sounds like with your kids too. You're just actually saying what's coming to mind as much as possible. I'm synchronizing everyone all the time, right? Do you think there's something to? Bitcoin like us I guess when we adopt Bitcoin it seems like people that really study it closely start to adopt some of its Principles right like Bitcoin is radically truthful. It's radically transparent. It has perfect integrity like I can only do what it says it will do. Yeah. Proof of work obviously is a big component of it. So diehard Bitcoiners tend to get really focused on, you know, fitness or business or savings, you know, they just become harder workers. Yeah. Do you think there's some truth to that? That maybe the money we engage with? I don't know how to like pinpoint the causation,,
Speaker 1
but there definitely seems to be a correlation, because I can say the way we eat is different than the way most people eat. And I don't know if you guys, God, there was a pitch had a guy on who wrote Fiat food. Yeah. And basically, since 1971, the whole, just to summarize briefly, governments don't really get overthrown until the price of food becomes too high. Until people are starving. Until people are starving. Whoever put this whole fiat experiment together, they weren't unintelligent in that way. And so that's when the government started messing with our food. And you look at the diet back then, and you look at the people back then, you'll have hundreds of people on the beach, and you look at pictures back in the 70s and they look good. So do these ladies. Other ones, they look great. But now everything has soy in it, now everything has- Seed oils. And so that's just another effect that the way we eat is affected by our money and we don't even know it.
Speaker 3
Well, and to. I mean, now they're talking about doing away with meat and chickens and- Such a great idea. And not having, and that we shouldn't be like farmers not being able to grow their own food. And because I'm, because we're starting to realize, you know, all of the stuff that's crap in the food. And now I can't even trust the produce in the grocery store anymore now too. And so I'm just like, we have to have a garden. And then if they take that from us, what will we have? And so- Yeah.
Speaker 1
I mean, look at people who are attracted to Bitcoin. You look at President Bukele down in Los Salvador and what he's been able to accomplish in such a short period of time. I'm not saying that Bitcoin is the reason why people aren't getting murdered at an insane rate down there anymore, but there just seems to be a weird correlation. People that are attracted to Bitcoin also happen to just- Principle people. Yeah, and they want what's best for humanity. And it's funny, early on, my buddy John, back in 2016, we're both kind of talking. And I don't remember if I asked him or if he asked me, but one of us asked the other, like, are you in it more for the investment or more for the cause? And we're both like, I think it's 50, 50. It's a good investment for sure. But it's like, but man, but what this can do for every human being. And that just feels good, too. I've thought about that a lot, too. It's
Speaker 2
one of these beautiful activities that's simultaneously selfish because you're saving your purchasing power, but it's also selfless because you're disenfranchising the state, right? Which is causing many of these problems through the money printing and the warfare and fake news, et cetera. You're sucking energy out of that and putting energy into an ethical system. How many other activities are there that you can do? I mean, I guess running a business that's meaningful, right? You can create profits and maybe improve people's lives. Yeah. Yeah. Be something comparable to that. Yeah. Yeah. But for it, maybe people that aren't entrepreneurial, you can just stack sets. Yeah. You're doing something good for yourself and good for the world. That's it. Yeah. I think that Bitcoin
Speaker 3
just incentivizes good behavior. It just seems like, I don't know. That's why I'm like, I don't see a downfall yet.
Speaker 2
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. Yeah, so Dawson you look like you're quite the athlete What sports you play I play soccer soccer, yeah, okay His proof of work like Like how do you, I guess dad's sending you videos about Bitcoin. Yeah. You're learning about Bitcoin. Has it changed you? Has it changed your relationship to athletics or anything else in your life?
Speaker 1
I think that I'm more, I don't know. I don't know if it's changed like how I like how my sports like work or like how I think about sports or my idea in that way. But I definitely think that it's changed like my mindset around like what I value like my time, I think more that way. Yeah.
Speaker 2
uh... And what like, what does it change about how you spend your time?
Speaker 1
Like, just like money-wise and like, uh, like is getting a job so young, like worth it in that way? And is it worth saving my money? Or I don't know.
Speaker 3
Like your cash? Yeah, the cash in that
Speaker 1
way. I remember Dawson and I were playing video games together with some of my buddies and this was like probably seven years ago or so and we were talking back and forth about Bitcoin while we were playing and Dawson, I mean, crushes us in the games that we play. You know, we'll play Fortnite together and Dawson's just at another level. But it's just fun to do together. And I remember Dawson's like, it just did, for whatever reason, it just did clicked in his brain right away. And he's like, dad, can I get some? And at the time I could only get it through Coinbase. They were like the only thing that was in existence. And I had a weekly limit of $400 a week that they would allow me to buy. And I was dying inside. And so I ended up having to like, wire buddy's money in order to get more, and so work around it. But yeah, it definitely seemed to click for Dawson at an early age. And I think too, live to work, work to live type mentality. I think that that would probably be just described the way Dawson sees it at a young age. What you're saying. Yeah. Cause I mean, in the Fiat world, we live to work, you know? And, um, and so, um, you know, I, I've never, never understood that, but, but he got to survive, you
Speaker 2
know, I had this, the reason I asked that question may have seemed at a left field, sorry, but I had this feeling, the deeper I got into Bitcoin, the more the things that I used to enjoy or like really make pillars to my life, which are like reading, you know, working out. I doubled, tripled, quadrupled down on them. And I didn't really know why I was doing that. It was like, I just found more freedom, I guess financially. So I had more time on my hands. But then something about maybe just Bitcoiners, like everyone's pushing themselves and everyone's like trying to always improve themselves so you get brought out the competitiveness in me even with myself and so I found myself getting much more back into sport and things like that. So it's I don't know. It's hard for me to separate what that is. Just from getting into Bitcoin, I also have my daughter around that time, so I'm not sure what it was. Well, I think
Speaker 3
that you end up realizing the things that, okay, what is really important to me? And what's gonna be good for whatever comes our way? And I mean, I would think that exercising and reading is gonna be something that is going to be beneficial if some scary stuff happens.
Speaker 2
Yeah, and also stop drinking around the time. Because again, the time thing for me was like, why am I doing this? This time is precious. There's other things I'd rather be doing. If I want to build the life of my dreams, well, I need to not drink these few hours a week and focus that on activities that put me towards that vision.
Speaker 1
Yeah. When we've left, we lived Mormonism late twenties. I had my first drink of alcohol when I was 30 years old. I didn't know anybody in my life that ever drank alcohol. Yeah. And so we got pretty good at drinking alcohol.
Speaker 3
Yeah. We caught up, I think,
Speaker 1
with everybody. Yeah, our livers are pretty much on par with everyone's at this point. Um, but, uh, yeah, I would say the last couple of years have been very similar for us too. We're kind of just getting back to like, you know what, there's a, you know, there's a two to three day effect that this has on me afterwards. And I'm like, and I don't care for it. And to your point, and you know, you have a five and a half year old and you're, and if you haven't seen it already, like you're going to start to see these periods of time in your children's life, they come and they go. And and all of them are enjoyable. I mean, they're all amazing. And like, but you want to make sure you're taking advantage of that time with each during each phase, you know, because we're relishing it. 100%. Yeah. And we'll watch home videos together and just looking back at when they were little and listening to their voices change. And you're like, man, this is what it's all about. And something
Speaker 3
too, I would say, it's kind of interesting how it just naturally just happens, as far as the alcohol just leaving us. And it's different than what we grew up with is, like, no, it's a rule. You can't do this. And I think that the lesson that I've learned there is it's important to let... Everybody should be able to discover things on their own and including my kids. And I think that we didn't want them to be indoctrinated in all of these different things and we wanted them to be free thinkers. And I, to me, I just wanted my kids to find God when they were ready to search for God. And I think that I'm like, I'm totally seeing that with Hillary and, you know, in her life. And I think that like pain ends up bringing you to your knees and you have to find what's important to me. And I want my kids to all independently find that for themselves and not because mom and dad told you this is the way you have to live and this is right or a religion or whatever. But I think that it's interesting just the good, like Bitcoin just all around is just good. It's like all of the principles are- That
Speaker 2
sounds like a Bitcoin principle, the way you're describing that actually. Instead of an imposed rule, i.e. fiat, it's a consensually adopted rule. Totally. You're choosing what's right for you and when the time is right to you, right? You're not being forced into, you know're not being forced into finding God or whatever. It's like you do it in your own time. You know, in a way.