Louis sits down with writer, activist and filmmaker Naomi Klein. They discuss Steve Bannon’s hip hop musical, why data centres are so dangerous, and the tech overlords/edgelords that inspired her latest book, End Times Fascism.

Warnings: Strong language and adult themes.

Links/Attachments:

Book: End Times Fascism, Naomi Klein and Astra Taylor (2026)

https://naomiklein.org/end-times-fascism/

Book: Doppelganger, Naomi Klein (2023)

https://naomiklein.org/doppelganger/

Interview: The full-length interview with Elon Musk, The Economist (2026)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuoqKYxDHVc

Play: The Thing I Am, Steve Bannon (1996-1997)

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/17/opinion/sunday/steve-bannon-hip-hop-shakespeare-rewrite-coriolanus.html

Podcast: Bannon’s WarRoom (2019-present)

https://open.spotify.com/show/0WyF2LaTcrpWfrTIeKjs1L

Book: No Logo, Naomi Klein (1999)

https://naomiklein.org/no-logo/

Song: Heart of Glass, Blondie (1979)

https://open.spotify.com/track/4v2rkl1mC3zVAz0nXMx9r4

Documentary: Bowling for Columbine (2002)

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0310793/

Credits:

Producer: Tom Fuller

Senior Assistant Producer: Maisie Ellen Williams

Junior Production Manager: Rosie Pender

Production Executive: Francesca Bassett

Original Music: Miguel D’Oliveira

Video Editor: Scott Edwards

Audio Editor: Tom Guest

Series Producer: Millie Chu

Executive Producer: Arron Fellows

A Mindhouse Studios Production for Spotify.

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