Liza: Would you agree, Liza, that try something, try something different, even just leaving your phone in your pocket and the line of the grocery store? Right. Start there. See what happens and, and even be the person that actually initiates a conversation with the person behind you. That would not have happened if I had been on my phone at that moment. It makes me want to have jokes on here. And like, I feel like I need to look up banana jokes. There's got to be a lot of them. A really good book called How to Talk to Anyone by Leo Lowens. She has some incredible ideas of how to talk to anyone quite literally

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