On this episode of Upstream, Erik sits down with Tyler Cowen to discuss Harvard, AI, Javier Milei's legacy, the value of non-legibility in talent spotting, and more.

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LINKS

Read Tyler's new book for free: https://econgoat.ai/

Tyler's blog: https://marginalrevolution.com

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Intro

(02:48) Tyler's new book GOAT: Who is the Greatest Economist of all Time and Why Does it Matter?

(05:19) Javier Milei and dismantling bureaucracy

(08:50) Who is the GOAT economist?

(12:29) AI, economic growth, and fertility

(16:58) Sponsor | Shopify

(18:34) Policies for managing population decline

(28:44) Emergent Ventures & talent spotting

(31:59) The value of non-legibility

(33:25) Predictions about Harvard

(35:38) The Future of Higher Education

(37:45) How Twitter and Harvard are related

(40:22) How to think about group differences

(43:43) Bronze Age Pervert on Nietzsche and postliberalism

(46:45) Rawls's veil of ignorance

(48:19) Tyler on his career and legacy

(52:45) The future of the University of Austin

(56:58) Wrap

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