I think that balling ability is very important, but also something that really does really feel really bad about it. Many leaders reject the idea because it feels, oh, this is going to make me weak. And basically I'm going to lose my reputation, my strength. So for me, it's about willing to show that you're not perfect, that you have second thoughts that maybe is corrupt. If you want to talk about emotions, so get deeper, that's okay,. But even if you don't get there, sending the signals that you're human, and that you also made mistakes in your career. That's going to open up the conversation. We talk about different tactics.

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