You Know, You're Not Going to Sundance?

"There used to be a kind of a, there was a rule that we used to have," he says. "If you're a filmmaker with those expectations, you're in real trouble" Pancha's agent told him she wasn't available for three years but then called back hours later and said Kate would do it. The pair met on another project that they were going to do together that didn't come together.

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