The ironies here are so interwoven with painful memories that it's just so hard to peel this onion, but let's just try to point to a couple of the ironies. So in the war, the big debate historically about this within Israel and of course by world historians, a number of Palestinians when the war broke out by Palestinians I mean people living within what are now the borders of Israel. And after the war was over a citizen of a state no longer under Arab control was or was no longer a different kind of place. It wasn't a country before that.