Flow-state games versus challenging design

Ever since C. Thi Nguyen appeared on the podcast, I've been trying to use games to understand more about the relationship between rules and life. Jay Dragon, whose game Wanderhome is almost ruleless, joins me to discuss games, rules, and anarchy, and we especially talk about how we can analyze oppressive real-world systems as if they're games.

Here are some links for more from Jay:

https://possumcreek.medium.com/

https://possumcreekgames.com/