Are We Going to Win Against Trump?

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Yasha R: How can we win over people who feel humiliated by liberals and progressives? Shart: We need to open up, ironically enough, diversify the definition of diversity. And when we do that, we'll be able to appreciate that even people who seem very different from us are actually what i would call plurals.

Irshad Manji has a lot of experience in trying to persuade those who really don’t want to be persuaded.

Early in her career, Irshad wrote two influential books that advocated for a reformed Islam. In conversations with religious conservatives around the world, she found that a combative style did not help her win adherents for her cause; instead, she started to acknowledge their views—before proudly arguing for her own. Now, Irshad runs the Moral Courage project, a pedagogical approach that hopes to make progress on contested issues like racism without shaming its participants.

On the latest episode of The Good Fight, Yascha Mounk talks to Irshad about why we should not judge those who disagree with us; how we can hope to persuade them of our own positions; and why we should be more optimistic about America’s future than is now fashionable.

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