There's these three techniques deep canvassing the persuasive pyramid and the other one is um um street epistemology but all of them are sort of so kratic method on steroids kind of things. They will start out by saying let's start with a claim you could be something based on attitudes but they prefer to doing fact-based stuff. What they're trying to do is separate out the conclusion from the process that arrived of arriving at it and somewhere in there affect that emergent sensation of confidence which can't be traced back to Dostoyevsky.