How I Learned to Be in and Interest in Trees

When there's no surf, in summer it's a safe time to be in the forest because of southerly winds and onshore winds. Mum would purposely get us lost in the forest as part of her sort of exercise to try and challenge us. I'm really interested in trying to convey to people that a forest is as fluid as the ocean. It changes like the ocean. And we've had big fires through that area, including Ash Wednesday. So watching things change and thinking, this is always different. Not just seasonally, but over time. If something's changing so much, what is it that we're protecting? What is it thatwe're managing?"