How to Guide a Pastor in a Conflict of Interest

There's really two types of counsel that we can render to an individual. It's pastoral counseling and then there's clinical counseling. When a pastor sees that it's clinical and it requires some further training than they've received as a pastor, they need to refer out. People counseling on the other hand is very important. I always used to tell my pastoral counselors that we're on staff. This is not a less than counseling. You may get an opportunity, have an opportunity to go a lot further than others will be able to go because you're not mandated by a licensing board to say what you can and cannot do. So that's where the clinical and the pastoral differentiates, but a