Will It Take Tight Groups Longer to Tighten?

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"I've learned the hard way that rules make sense. Theyre in cleck with threat," says Boris johnson, author of a new book on goose cultures. "We know that it's hard to tighten when the threat's abstract and invisible", he adds. Just like it took loose groups longer to tighten, it's likely to take tight groups longer to loosen, Johnson writes.

British Prime Minister Boris Johnson is facing political ruin because his aides partied while the UK locked down.

This episode was produced by Will Reid, edited by Matt Collette, engineered by Efim Shapiro, fact-checked by Laura Bullard and hosted by Sean Rameswaram.

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