This is the Jocko Underground podcast number 82 sitting with Echo Charles Also me here my name is Jocko like Here's a question that I posed the other day. If you don't follow the rules Do you get more or less rules? And this is another interpretation of discipline equals freedom, that's what it is It's another angle on asking this question came from not thinking about discipline equals freedom But I was working with some working with some people Working with a company they have workers the workers have a lot of freedom in this particular company. There's not a lot of supervision people out there on their own doing their own thing kind of and some people take advantage of it.