i'll abuse my position as the interlocutor to ask you about irony. Human humanity has been struggling with irony throughout this is one of the reasons why we have myths and tragedies where the winner loses and the loser wins. Sometimes power is in our ability to not fetishize power. The irony is sometimes that somebody who may appear the weakest in the room may actually be the person who embodies the most strength. And so that is thiss part of human reality. We have ironic relationship with ourselves.

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