I also worry about the story we're telling about the election, which is essentially the Roe v. Wade was overturned, Republicans nominated election deniers, and therefore they did badly in the elections. That's I think what people are getting out of the narrative. Republicans won the House after the majority of their caucus voted to de-certify or would not certify election results. They won the House. That's a big thing. They won 49 Senate seats. That's a big thing as well. What really happened was both the parties basically reformed it parity to some extent, like, you know, pretty similar to the results of 2020. They're pretty close. I think we'll end up with like some of like Republicans, 51 Democrats, 49 in the popular vote, very close, very narrow. And in a few places, big statewide races, Republicans nominated fairly radical people, those people get pretty, really negative coverage from the mainstream media. And those figures often lost. I carry a lake being the most prominent of them. Ended up losing those races. So that's so you had like six or seven people's the media essentially chose as being you are sort of out of the bounds and we're going to cover you as such. Think about what happens in 2024. We're going to come to the media later. Is the media prepared to cover the Republican nominee in a explicitly you are it believe is not Donald Trump. If the media prepared to cover someone who runs on a pretty anti-democratic platform in the nomination process wins a nomination, but is not named Donald Trump because the media is so normed around these both sides as we'll get back as we'll get to later. So I don't read this election as a repudiation of the Republican Party really much at all because I mean, a few candidates were repudiated. I think the explicit election deniers running in swing states when there are seven or eight of them on the ballot, seven of them running in a few states. But if there's like one of those people running for president, I don't know how to how that would go and talking about Dobbs. Again, if you'd ask the Republicans, you will only get 49 House seats, but you can abandon abortion in 26 states. I think they a lot of them would have taken that trade. The repudiation of Dobbs was not so big they couldn't win the house. So I just think that we've over learned that I worry the narrative is not capturing what was a pretty good election for the Republicans. So

I don't want to let the pendulum swing too far from things are looking better than feared, which is kind of where we maybe were last week, right? All the way to, oh, no, it's really, really bad. But I'm also feeling worse about the state of things today than a week ago. And it's precisely for the reasons, Perry, that did you outline. I mean, okay, so the fact remains, most high profile Trumpists were rejected, right? In sort of the high profile races for governor or senator only underscored by Kerry Lake's defeat in the race for governor in Arizona. But I think not enough people are paying attention to how much these election results represent a widening chasm between the two Americas, the red and the blue America in blue and purple states. There was a clear majority mobilized against not just Trump, but sort of the reactionary vision that animates the right, the sort of white Christian patriarchal order right here, the vast majority rejected abortion bans and the threat of abortion being banned in their state if these Republicans, if they had been allowed in positions of power. And so these people voted Democratic. But in red states, the picture is actually very different. And I'm relying here on Ron Brownstein's analysis of what's going on as is so often the case. He's just both on sort of the empirics and on the big picture he's been spot on, I think. In red states, it's still the case that in a majority of people was against abortion bans, right, specifically. We saw this whenever there were these abortion ballot measures, right, earlier in the year in Kansas, but then also in Kentucky on election day. But what was different in red states compared to blue and purple states is that a lot of these people who again, if you ask them just specifically abortion, then yes or no said no, they still voted for Republicans because overall, apparently they favored the reactionary vision over what Democrats stand for, which is of multiracial pluralistic democracy. So many red states are getting redder, right? So it's really a stark reminder, I think, of how much the country is falling apart of how much we are looking at fundamentally incompatible visions of what America should be.