Erdogan wants to be seen as a bigger leader globally. He's not prepared to take a role that American dominated NATO might want him to. And you see Mr. Erdogan on the level Turkey was the first to give drones to Ukraine. On the other side, Turkey was the country that said we're going to host Russian Ukrainians negotiations. So this kind of a move in which I'm using this crisis to say that I'm a sovereign power, but I had my own interest.

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